Good hair and bad hair: the silent messages our children receive

by Anti-Racist Parent Columnist Liz Dwyer

A couple of weeks ago, I was at someone’s home talking with another woman who was also a guest. As we talked, my two sons were hovering around, quietly doing their usual Power Rangers imitation. My six year-old popped over to demonstrate some of his moves for me, and this woman, who happened to be white, reached over and rubbed his head.

“His hair is so cute!” she exclaimed.

Whenever someone makes a comment about my children’s appearance, I always make sure to respond back by emphasizing some virtue or admirable quality that my sons are demonstrating, like kindness, truthfulness, and politeness. In this instance, I shared how proud I was that earlier in the day, my son had, unasked, offered his subway seat to an old lady. My son beamed under this praise and then ran off.

My acquaintance continued on, sharing more of her opinion. “His hair’s so cute that it almost makes me want to marry a guy who’s black so I can have kids with hair like that.” She chuckled at the thought and started telling me how much she hated her straight, blond hair.

Then she speculated about what hair color and texture her future biracial children might get. She wondered if she’d “get lucky” and have some mixed kids with blond-tinged ringlets and blue eyes, because, “Those are sooo cute!” And hopefully, their hair wouldn’t be so “coarse” that she couldn’t manage to comb it.

I sometimes think people say the kinds of things she was saying when they’re trying to show how cool and un-racist they are. I get annoyed by those kinds of remarks but I didn’t want to start a debate at this get together. So, I replied back that I think everyone’s hair is cute, as long as it’s clean and healthy. And, I shared that it bothers me that black children, particularly girls, are often made to feel like their hair is ugly unless their hair is straight.

I’ll admit though, I couldn’t resist bursting her blond-ringlet bubble. I told her that black children, as well as half black and half white children, can actually get lots of different and equally beautiful textures of hair on their heads. I shared that I am biracial, but I don’t have blond-tinged curls on my head, even though there are a few blonds in my dad’s family.

She exclaimed that she would never have guessed that I was biracial because my hair just seemed “like any other black person’s.”

Suddenly my three year-old came running up and rescued me by asking me to take him to the bathroom. The woman ended up leaving early and I didn’t talk to her again. But, when I got home that night, I really started to think about how my boys are undoubtedly absorbing that there is some sort of intrinsic value, or lack thereof, to the texture of their hair.

Even before my eldest was born, I had several black women tell me that I should hope for a boy because boys are easier to raise. I figured they were talking about how with boys I could avoid the drama that sometimes happens between teenage daughters and moms. Instead, these women shared that one of the main reasons having a boy would be easier is that I wouldn’t have to deal with a girl’s hair. Having a girl would curse me with hours of detangling her naps. Then I’d have to learn how to braid her hair. And, once she hit her pre-teen years, I’d need to start spending hundreds of dollars a year to get her hair chemically straightened. One woman told me, “But your daddy’s white so maybe you’ll luck out and that “good hair” will skip to your kids.”

According to that point of view, I did “luck out” because after my first son was born, folks regularly commented that he’d gotten a “good grade of hair.” And I was given lots of advice on how to keep his hair that way. One well-wisher told me to put baby oil in his hair so it wouldn’t “turn” nappy. Another told me not to cut it too soon because this would also “turn” his hair.

As my sons have grown, they are both very handsome. One time, a woman in Macy’s was so taken with them that she loudly proclaimed what future lady-killers I was going to have. She leaned my way to conspiratorially whisper, “’Cause you know sista’s love them some boys with good hair. “

In case you’re unaware what “good hair” is, in some parts of the black community, it’s hair that’s less kinky. It might be slightly wavy. It might have spiral curls. It might be bone straight. But, in all its incarnations, “good hair” means hair that’s closer to the texture of someone of European descent. The further away you are from the tight coils of Mother Africa, the better. Of course, black folks didn’t just come up with this “good hair” notion all by ourselves. Nope, it’s the result of being socialized to value a European aesthetic as the epitome of beauty.

Just yesterday we were driving through Hollywood and saw a billboard of Beyonce. My six year-old commented, “She has pretty hair.” Indeed, if my sons happen to see images of Beyonce, Mary J. Blige or Queen Latifah, all successful black female artists that have been embraced by the mainstream, then they’re seeing thousands of dollars of blond hair weaves, wigs, and lace fronts. What does their natural hair look like? We really have no idea.

But, I can’t just blame celebrities or the comments other people make. When my boys were younger, I had natural hair. And then a couple of years ago, I chemically straightened it because I was stressed about looking professional enough at my job. So, I suppose it could be argued that on some levels I’ve bought into the same socialization I want to shield my sons from. I’m also teaching my sons that what grows out of my head is “bad”.

Obviously I don’t want my boys growing up thinking that they have “good” or “bad” hair. But I also have to take personal responsibility for some of it. So, I’ve started to think about cutting off all my straightened hair and just letting the natural texture grow out again. That way I’d be modeling for them that my natural hair is “good” hair. After all, if appreciating who they are doesn’t start and get reinforced in my home, I’m not so sure they’ll learn it anywhere else.

Liz Dwyer lives in Los Angeles with her husband of eight years, Elarryo Bolden and her two sons, ages six and three. Her great sense of adventure and desire to learn about diverse cultures took her to Guangzhou, China where she taught English to third and fourth graders, picked up some Mandarin, and managed to get into seven bike accidents. Liz taught in Compton, CA for three years and later worked for national education non-profit Teach For America. Liz has written and reflected on the world around her for the past three years at Los Angelista’s Guide to the Pursuit of Happiness. She’s currently freelance writing and working on her first novel.

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Comments

  1. Julia wrote:

    I am new to this subject. But it seems to me that white people complain about their hair too. If it’s straight they want it curly, if it is curly they want it straight. Everyone wants to be blonde at some point. We cut, dye perm, straighten, lengthen, foil etc our hair. I know white friends that have “good hair” (meaning it is easily manageable and takes products well) I also have white friends that have “bad hair” (so baby fine that it does nothing, holds nothing and goes limp almost immediately). Plus totally straight hair (as my friend who has Native American heritage) will tell you… can be considered “bad hair” too… it takes an act of congress to get ANY wave it….

    Beyonce, Mary J. Blige or Queen Latifah all (at one point) have had wavy hair too… which for most ladies (regardless of race) requires some artificial means of styling.

    I understand that the “white beauty standard” is still in full force….slim nose, light skin…. etc…. and that could mean straight hair… BUT do you think that maybe when black ladies talk about good and bad hair, they are talking about the ease and manageability of it… just like white girls do?

    Let’s just be happy that the “crimping iron” is no longer around… God help us if that becomes popular again :-)

  2. Kaywil wrote:

    WOW! I think I wrote this post…but forgot to submit it! It’s like someone else wrote it for me. I have been debating the same issues since I’ve had my boys. I had a guest over recently that commented on my second son’s hair being the one that’s desired by all the girls, seeing that it’s curly and red. The bad part is that my oldest one looks more like a “regular” black person and since our second was born we’ve noticed that grown adults have no restraint - they will coo over the red hair and completely ignore our oldest. We’re currently battling his self-esteem issues as a result and constantly have to remind him that we love him just as much as his brother. I too straightened my hair recently after years of having it natural…yes, it was for a job too. Now, I’m thinking about going back natural. I’ve noticed that even Alicia Keys has fallen victim to the “you would look so much prettier if it was straight” talk. There are no good examples of natural black hair style wearers. Even if someone is brave enough to do it, I hear comments about it being wild and out of control. It’s too bad…I’m just waiting for change to come.

  3. Liz Dwyer wrote:

    Dear Julia,
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts. To answer your question, no, I don’t think we’re just talking about ease and manageability when it comes to the good/bad hair discussion and black folks. I’ve heard too many people sing the praises of “good” hair over the years to believe it’s that simple. The discussion is absolutely married to racism.

    I think it’s a myth that the natural hair on black folks’ head is difficult and hard to manage. Unfortunately, many of us have “forgotten” how to work with our hair in it’s natural state because we’ve never even experienced what it’s like to have our hair not pressed or relaxed. Some of us perceive it as being difficult because we’re trying to get it to do something it’s not meant to do and are trying to beat it into submission. Then we go to work or school and are treated like we look “wild” or “artistic”.

    And I’m with you though in hoping the crimping iron doesn’t come back in style either!

  4. Psychobabbler wrote:

    May I piggyback on your post by asking a related question? This White mom always feels stuck for an appropriate response when strangers gush over my dark skinned South Indian son’s “good hair” (which ranges from wavy to curly and at times leads him to be misidentified as biracial with an AA parent or as Hispanic). The comments always come from African American or Hispanic people, and as a White woman and a cultural outsider I don’t feel it’s appropriate or respectful for me to make a statement taking issue with the good/bad hair thing. Yet I don’t like the idea of staying silent because it sends my child an implicit message that such distinctions are okay. Anybody have any ideas about how to respond when this happens? Much obliged for your input…

  5. dorothy wrote:

    As I write this, I’m listening to a DVRed episode of Dr. Phil talking about people who have plastic surgery to look “less ethnic.” Or, in reality, more white. Sad, wrong. I’m white, but sturdy, not at all like a fashion model. My natural hair color is the color of dead leaves. I do dye my hair a bright blonde, and I’ve been the victim of an eating disorder. When it comes to appearance of any sort, I do think we all have to learn to be the best US we can be. I have finally stopped trying to curl my straight hair (woe was me in the ’80s). I’ve accepted my sturdiness and now strive for toned instead of thin. But I don’t deal with what you are talking about, and I didn’t even realize anyone did. I’m surprised and sad.

    But as long as Asians are having eyelid surgery and all of us are messing with our hair, society is clearly having trouble embracing everyone’s own style of beauty.

  6. kim wrote:

    Psychobabbler: If you could turn them away from your son, and quickly inquire as to what “bad” hair is to them, you would at least be able to “see what they see,” and then take it from there.

    Some people would simply formulate no audible response, sensing in your tone (and hearing themselves for perhaps the first time) that you would like to hear them disparage the organic state of being of other persons (themselves included?) in the world.

    Some might touch their own heads, shamefully. You could tell them you sympathize, and hope they rediscover all that is wonderful about themselves.

  7. Scrapsbynobody wrote:

    We adopted four AA girls, all with varying hair types and skin tones. Three of them gush over the sister with the lightest skin and loosest curl. They totally pass over or disrespect the sister with the darkest skin and “nappiest” hair. (Their word, not mine!) It absolutely drives me crazy, as the truth is that all of them are truly beautiful girls. I’m not just saying that because I am Mom! They have marvelous features, gorgeous skin, and depending on the type of hair, you can do different but fun styles on each. I think they ALL always look nice, but the one sister still preens as the “beautiful one”, and the others have varying degrees of discomfort about their hair type and skin color. Any suggestions for dealing with this? I’ve been trying, but their not buying what I’m selling.

  8. egypt4 wrote:

    I will confess that part of the reason I like having sons is that I haven’t had to deal with little girls’ hair. The women I know, black and white and every color, who have black daughters are obsessed with their hair.

    Having said that… I’m now dealing with the fact that I like my sons’ hair a bit longer (and natural, of course) because of their cute curls. So now I’m looking for the same hair products, etc. that mothers with daughters use.

    There does seem to be a rule of sorts (unspoken as far as I know) about keeping black boys’ hair very short, shorn even. I wish we could see more little boys with their cute curls!

    To address Julia: yes, we all have “issues” with our hair, but this is a very different issue in the black community and it might be best to accept that until you learn more (instead of trying to say why it’s the same with white people).

    A very wise woman I know, who is black, told me she thinks that the way white women obsess over weight is like how black women obsess over hair.

    Anyone agree or disagree with that?

    Liz, thanks for your honest post.

  9. unionmaidn wrote:

    What a thoughtful breakdown of the little girl hair texture stratification. Liz, you are so right that European supremacist notions underpin (!!) American women’s attitudes about hair.
    I have been somewhat at a loss since my daughter was born (AA father, white mama=me) and people have been nonstop exclaiming over the beauty of her spiral curls. Until I brought her to a church event and had my attitude adjusted by an older Black lady, I admit I felt some guilty relief over the fact that her hair isn’t “textured”. This kind woman sat with me and talked to me openly about her struggles with her own hair and the various products and strategies she’s used on it over the years. She didn’t give me advice or tell me I was lucky not to have to deal with it–she just shared her own experience of finding the ways of managing her hair that made her feel good about it. I realized then that there is nothing hard about hair except people’s attitudes, and that the constant praise my daughter is getting may actually prevent her from seeing the beauty in textured hair. So now, like Liz, her father and I try to point out my kid’s other positive achievements and attributes to people who stop me to point out her “good” hair. It’s an uphill struggle, but it feels like the right one.

  10. Fat Lady wrote:

    Well, this is a topic that’s near and dear to me, as it is to pretty much all black women - especially those of us with children who are concerned about how our children build self-esteem.

    I have two daughters, the younger one with looser curls, like mine and the older with tighter, frizzier, nappier hair. I love both of their hair textures and think that each texture has it’s beauty - and certainly each is challenging in it’s own way as well.

    Because the younger one is only 2yo, she doesn’t care much yet about hair. But my 8yo has already started to absorb some of society’s messaging. She has gone through phases of wanting hair like her sister and I, wanting hair like her white friends, wanting extensions, wanting relaxers, wanting her hair pressed.

    I’ve responded to all of these stages with extra encouragement about the beauty of her hair. By showing her more things her hair can do that other’s hair can’t. By offering her more choices. By examining my own attitudes about hair again and again and again.

    It took years before I realized that even as determined and dedicated I was about teaching my children to love their hair, I had a strong belief that their hair had to be tamed and controlled at all times. What a revelation it was to realize, when my oldest was 5 or 6 that I’d never let her wear her hair just completely out - no barrettes, braids, bands, or twists - just out and free. And to really examine why it was that I hadn’t and what kind of message I was sending to her about that.

    I think all of us have to think about our own attitudes towards our hair and our children’s hair as we attempt to help them deal with the outside attitudes that will influence them.

    One afternoon last summer I was sitting with a group of women who I know to be very conscientious about educating and informing their daughters. We were actually together to form a book club for our daughters and were choosing books with positive black female characters. So I was astounded when the conversation turned to hair and 4 of the 5 women (me being the 5th) started talking about how they’d tried going natural at various times but just felt ugly and depressed with natural hair and had to go back to relaxers. I couldn’t help but wonder how their daughters feel, and are going to feel about themselves and their hair?

    Until this summer I had long hair, about half-way down my back. I cut it very short for many reasons, not the least of which being that I just wanted a change. But I also considered, strongly, that I wanted to send a message to my daughters (particularly the oldest one) that hair is no big deal and that ones beauty does not reside at the end of a group of follicles. It grows, it changes, it can be styled, or not. I wanted to let her know that hair should be fun, but that it’s not something to be cherished and protected and worshipped beyond all good sense.

    I recently posted about hair issues on my blog, and I’m sure I’ll post about it again and again over time. http://milkforspice.blogspot.com/2007/08/hair-we-are.html

    Julia - To compare the issues white people have with their hair to the issues black people have with their hair, is comparable to say that since lots of white people feel they’re pale and like to get tans they understand what it’s like to experience racism because of the color of their skin. I would guess that it’s safe to say that white people don’t face losing their jobs or not advancing in their jobs because they wear their hair in it’s natural state. I certainly haven’t heard of any white people being told that their straight hair was unprofessional or that they should stop wearing a traditional white hairstyle unless they wanted to find themselves on the unemployment line.

  11. Sharifa wrote:

    Egypt4 - I’m biracial and my husband likes to tell me that I have a black woman’s hair issues and a white woman’s weight issues. My hair stays in a tight bun most of the time, I haven’t relaxed it in years but only wear it out if I have time to pull out the straightening iron, maybe once a year.

    Liz, thanks for yet another post that made me think about the messages I am sending my son just by going about my daily routine. Over the past few months I have watched his hair grow lighter and stay straight, but I refused to let my husband tick the White box on his SSN application.

  12. terri wrote:

    I am Caucasian and I adopted a daughter who is biracial. She has “good” hair according to many African American women who have commented on her hair. However, getting it to look good is not easy and often I just let it go “natural” without the tons of conditioner I use to keep it soft and supple. When I do this I get lots of unsolicited advice from well-meaning AA women on how I should do her hair, what products to use, etc. I even get some disapproving looks because my daughter’s hair does not look perfect that day.

    I love my daughter’s hair either way: soft, supple and wavy from the conditioner I use or slightly nappy when I don’t. However I feel such pressure to keep her hair perfect from the AA community that I rebel against it and let her hair go nappy sometimes.

    My daughter is only 6 yo but she already has a complex from being observed so much by some AA women. I also feel like I’m under scrutiny sometimes and either pass or fail some test by whether or not my kids hair looks good or not!!!

    On the other hand the white community drives me crazy sometimes because so many love to touch her hair or pet her hair. I often want to scream “she is not a pet, do not touch her hair”!!! Her hair is often touched by her friends, school teachers, dance teachers as well as by some complete strangers. Do these white people randomly touch white kids hair as well? I doubt it.

    Kids from AA community also love to touch her hair but luckily AA adults talk about it but do not touch her hair.

    I am afraid to make such a big deal out of people touching my daughter’s hair, in front of her, mostly because doing so will only bring more attention to it. Many of these people we will never see again I just grab her and we leave. As to the folks we see often, I feel asking them to stop will hurt their feelings so I don’t do it. The only times I have asked people to stop was when it happened repeatedly. Even then I must have been too harsh because my reaction really seemed to hurt that person.

    Anyway, I just wanted to share my frustrations on the hair front with all of you. My goal now is to try to help my daughter be proud of and love her hair regardless of other people’s comments or reactions to it. I’m finding out that it is not an easy thing to do.

  13. GM wrote:

    As you probably already know you’ve touched on one of the most controversial issues but yet none-the-less trivial issues in our community. As far as we move away from this mind set with the embracing of natural hairstyles someone always steps up with a comment that “snaps us right back” into black self hatred. Unless you grew up in both a community and a family that embraced everything black you would have been hard pressed not have heard something negative about your hair, features or skin color. And if you happened to have been lucky in that arena I’m sure you didn’t miss the insults thrown your way from the media.
    So what do we do when we hear ignorant comments directed at our children? I usually just feel a little sorry for the deliverer of the message and understand that they too will become enlightened one day hopefully, in the near future. Fortunately, I hear those kinds of comments less and less therefore that reasures me the age of enlightment is upon us.

  14. Lorraine wrote:

    I like the hair/weight analogy. The only problem is, I see more and more African-American women buying into the whole cult of thinness now, too.

    I am a white woman (not a mom yet!) and have a good friend who is African-American and who constantly refers to “good” and “bad” hair. (she has four boys herself . . . )

    I try as hard as I can to challenge that idea, but she doesn’t budge. I printed out this blog entry and will bring it to her, but I wonder if I can really even get through to her since I am not a woman of color. It pains me to no end to hear her refer to her own hair as “not good” . . . and I just don’t know what else to do or to say. I realize that maybe I’m not going to be the one to get through to her (I often point to the example of a staff member at the church we both attend who has beautiful hair that she wears in a natural style), but it breaks my heart to hear her say this and to know the self-hatred that underlies the statement.

    Anecdotally, I noticed right away when I moved from NYC to the midwestern town I currently call home that so many more of the African-American women here wear their hair straightened and express a distaste for “natural” styles . . . so I think the culture in this area doesn’t help matters. but I still want her (and some of my other friends as well) to “get it”!

  15. lori wrote:

    Liz,

    Thank you for your post. I have two boys, 6 and 3 as well. Both have “curly” hair cuz mom is Black and Dad is Spanish, but the older son’s hair is kinkier and younger son has looser curls. Being the woman, I of course wonder if my boys will notice this one day and feel some sort of distress.

    I too believed for a hot second that I would be relieved of the hair issues because I had boys, but I know now that boys feel it just as much as girls, they’re just not given permission to complain about it openly.

    Anywho, for all of you discussing the good hair/bad hair issue, trying to understand the origins of the terms, please check out the book, Hair Story: Untangling the Roots of Black Hair in America (St. Martin’s Press). Yes I co-authored it, but I’m not just trying to sell some books. The book explains the origins of all of these Black hair issues, “the good vs bad hair,” as well as straight vs natural dilema many Black women face in American society. And there’s a lot about the politics and history and economics of Black hair too. It’s a very useful book for anyone with questions about Black hair culture.

  16. Denise wrote:

    Egypt4, my 10yo Haitian son has a LOT of hair on top (sides are shaved). This is by his own choice, and I spend a lot of time on his hair. I usually have it in twists, but he hd it cornrowed for a while this summer.

    He has 2 good friends in town who are also black, and one has his shaved close, and the other is sporting a big, gorgeous afro at the moment.

    I do get comments on his hair a lot, and asked often how I “do it”. The one thing that drives him crazy though is the people who feel they can just come up and touch his hair. I have told him he has every right to tell them politely but firmly that he does not like people touching his hair.

  17. xingxing wrote:

    Thanks for this post. I’ve been thinking about how these sorts of hair issues play out in the Jewish community. Although it’s mostly unspoken, many Jewish Americans hold deep-rooted perceptions of “good” and “bad” hair — bad hair is curly, dark, and “ethnic” looking, good hair is straighter, lighter, and lets you pass as non-Jewish. One factor in this is that our hair tends to change as we go through puberty — many children have straight, light hair which then becomes curly and darker. This can be pretty upsetting for kids who were proud of their non-Jewish-looking hair. My mother, who had beautiful black curly hair that she got done at an African American salon, would put “Sun-in” lightening spray on my hair when she saw that it was getting darker. I got the message about “good hair” from her loud and clear.

  18. Julia wrote:

    WOW - I am REALLY new to all this. I had no idea that this hair issue ran so deep. I am truly trying to understand everything everyone has been sharing.

    Lori: thank you for the book reference… I think it is a must read for me.

    Thank you to everyone, for being patient in explaining and kind in your words.

  19. Brooklyn wrote:

    My husband and I are white and we are anxiously awaiting the referral and adoption of our second child. We are white and will be adopting an AA infant. We have read several books about AA hair, primarily focused on the nature of AA hair and styling options/products. We are cognizant of the “good hair” vs “bad hair” struggle, but also share some of the apprehension shared in an earlier comment by “Teri.” When we attended a workshop, “AA Hair Care,” that our adoption resource center offered we were dissappointed to see that the AA woman leading the workshop spoke passionately about “good hair” vs. “bad hair.” She even went so far to ask the attendees to show her pictures of their children as she cooed “Oh…you got lucky, your daughter has good hair” or “Your child has nappy/hard/bad hair, this is what you need to do to fix it.” My husband and I were apalled.
    We also fear the possible judgement placed on us for how we choose to style or not style our future child’s hair. How have white parents who have adopted AA children coped with this situation? We would love to hear more from any parents of any race on this issue.
    Great topic Liz!

  20. L&N's Mom wrote:

    Wow… so many responses! I have 2 questions.

    1. I’m waiting for my 4 month old’s hair to come in so I know what I’m dealing with. Once I get a better idea in the future, how would I be accepted if I took her to a “black” salon to get advice if I’m not handling it well?

    I have thin straight hair, as someone said above - HATE it - wished for curly hair so I spent the 80’s getting perms…

    2. Shafira mentioned “tick the White box on his SSN application.” I filled out forms for my baby - didn’t know what to tick since she is A, A Indian and caucasian. The hospital had “caucasian” on her forms already, because as they explained, they go to the Mom for identity. So when or how do we get a biracial box to tick, or are allowed to tick multiple boxes as appropriate?

  21. Psychobabbler wrote:

    Kim, thank you - I like your idea!

  22. Brooklyn wrote:

    Lori,
    Any suggestions for where to find your book? I looked on Amazon.com and only two used copies selling for over $100.00. It appears that the book is out of print. Help?!?

  23. SF Mom wrote:

    Hi Brooklyn,
    As a white adoptive mom I put in a lot of time on my AA daughter’s beautiful, extremely tightly-curling natural hair. And it’s great loving bonding time for us. When she was a baby I took hair classes, read books, but I learned the most from teenage girls who I hired to come over and braid. Even when my technique was pretty basic, in 7 years I have had nothing but compliments and encouragement from AA adult women, along with suggestions of products and techniques. It pains me when I see kids with their hair dried out and tangled. There is no need for that. If you put in the time and are doing your best, your daughter’s hair will look good, and she will feel good. If I could learn it, anyone can. I can’t even put my own hair in a bun but I do great cornrows! I discreetly check out the other AA girls’ hairstyles on the playground to learn new ‘dos, and 9 times out of 10 their mom or grandma or babysitter will be more than happy to talk hairstyles and products with me. Good luck and don’t give up, don’t worry about being judged, this is about making your daughter feel good, not anybody else. This is something you absolutely have to do for her.

  24. SF Mom wrote:

    Not sure where I got the idea you would be adopting a girl - but same goes for boys!

  25. kim wrote:

    Brooklyn:

    What I find so refreshing, enlightening and enlightened, about your inquiry, is “…or not style our future child’s hair.”

    I wonder what this means to you?

    For me, a Black woman with wonderfully coiled, napped and healthy hair in its natural state, it COULD mean that you may be willing to embrace the possibility of not combing/pulling/twisting/braiding/straightening/taming your child’s tresses, and may opt for letting the kink of the curl take its course.

    I do wonder, but also must say that inherent in the horrid experiences you had with the workshop leader is affirmation of an up-thread comment: why do Blacks feel that the natural state and texture of their hair is something that cannot be presented without serious alteration?

    How to combat the (seemingly) inherent distaste for ourselves? Touch it, rub it, love it.

    As Liz stated, good hair is hair that is healthy, clean, and which grows.

  26. Natasha wrote:

    Esp. for Terri and Brooklyn-

    I have 4 multiracial kids, 3 girls and 1 boy. My kids’ hair textures range from poker straight, through wavy, to kinky-curly. Regarding a White parent caring for a biracial, multiracial, or African American child’s hair, there are two main pieces of the puzzle. (1) Philosophical: teaching your child to love their hair no matter what the texture and how complicated it is to care for properly; (2) Physical: properly caring for your child’s hair.

    For the philosophical end of things, there are a *lot* of great children’s books out there about hair. Start them young. We have a practically worn out our board book of “Happy to Be Nappy” by bell hooks (my son wants to know why the book is only about girls). Don’t complain when you are caring for your child’s hair. Tell them how beautiful they look when you are done styling it (show them in the mirror, send them to get praise from another adult in the house). Stand *firm* by the “everyone has good hair; everyone’s hair is different” line and belief, even/especially when you are spending hours on your child’s hair care. We all have only the hair (and skin) that we were born with. It is not good or bad, it simply is. Curlier and kinkier hair may be more time-consuming to care for, but it makes gorgeous styles us straight-hairs could only dream of.

    For the physical end of things (I kind of started on that above), you *have* to properly care for your child’s hair. Everyday. Period. There is no excuse for unkempt, unbrushed, hair. A clean, oiled, brushed out afro of curls is letting your child have natural hair for the day. Matted, dry, or linty is not okay. When my curliest-haired child is having a ‘natural’ hair day–no ponytails, etc.–I brush it out and oil it in the morning, and then I have to ‘fix’ it 1-2 times during the day, especially if we are going out: puff up the sides after her nap, get out the lint because she rolled around on the floor, etc.

    My kids all fuss about having their hair fixed on some days, but in our family it is one of those things (like brushing your teeth) that is not negotiable. As White (or not Black) parents, we are under the microscope for the care of our Black children’s hair. It’s a learning curve, but it is totally worth it–and necessary for our children’s positive self-image. Read Dawn Friedman’s recent article in Brain, Child about this issue: http://www.brainchildmag.com/essays/fall2007_friedman.asp

    Peace and Blessings.

    P.S. I have poker straight hair, and spent my early years sleeping on sponge rollers and getting home perms because my mom thought curlier hair was ‘better’ :)

  27. Liz Dwyer wrote:

    I am so moved by the comments that everyone has left. A few of you made me cry. The hurt goes so deep over this hair issue.

    It makes me wish I had a little girl so we could rock our natural hair together. I asked my little boys what they thought about mommy cutting off her hair and the three year-old told me I’d look ugly. My six year-old got really quiet. And my husband, he’s not a fan of the idea at all. So this is going to get really interesting in my house.

    I really need to have the courage to chop my straightened hair off…and I don’t know if I do.

  28. diva wrote:

    I couldn’t resist commenting. As an African American woman all I can say is locks,braids, dreads, afros. Unfortunately, a lot of AA people still grow up preaching the good hair vs. bad hair doctrine. Nothing is wrong, bad, or difficult about natural ‘black’ hair. Just wash it and style it. I was in my 30’s before I stopped putting all that chemical nonsense in my hair. My hair is in great shape now, grows wonderfully, looks healthy. I have a job and I look just as professional as before.:)

  29. NJ girl wrote:

    Good posting on a complex subject.
    I am white and grew up in Atlanta and have lived most of my adult life in New Jersey. I mention this because growing up in the south, in Atlanta, I was around a lot more black (African-Amer) people than I have been living in NJ. Actually, it felt strange at first when I moved to NJ, because it seemed that there were so many white people. Not just in my family-personal group, but everywhere. For those unaware, this is primarily because the percentages of each group is so different between these different areas. Anyway, my point is even though I grew up in an area where many people in the population had more generally speaking “African” type curly hair and even though I live now in a very cosmopolitan metro area now (NYC) where we supposedly are all in a nice cozy melting pot (and getting along without problems), there is definitely “weirdness” when people try to talk about this subject. And oddly enough I think some of “uncomfortable” feelings come from white people really (and I mean really) not being familar with “African type hair texture” and really having no way to “understand it”, feel it, appreciate it. It’s like a big mystery that we aren’t suppose to mention or experience - ever. But it’s not hidden! It’s there - people can see it - it’s on another person’s head. Please excuse my forcefulness in these last couple of sentences, I’m just trying to make the point that some of the difficulty comes all of us not really having true exposure to each other - there are these visual aspects of own unique physical beings (whatever your background) that have become taboo. And hair is one of the big taboos (I’m sure that if you are black you obviously know this. But I just wanted to share that as a white person without this type of hair, you can feel that you are suppose to feel completely familiar with something that you in fact are not familiar with. I know that I am not addressing here all the very negative and hurtful and damaging things that have been apart of this subject for people who do have hair that is very curly and have the African type hair texture. And it’s not because I’m not aware or am not sensitive to this reality. I just wanted to reveal something that I think interfers with the understanding and acceptance of outward physcial qualities.

    I don’t know the solution to this and it certainly isn’t something that can be changed in an instant. But obviously this (in all its manifistations) has to change, so the idea (”good” or” bad hair”) can become meaningless. *

    * One final comment on how this whole topic of “women’s hair” can be such a broad topic. I have colored my hair for the past five years. And as nice as it is to have the pretty burnette hair color of my youth, I still am bothered by this practice of coloring my hair to cover the grey.

    It sometimes seems that women just have to spend so much time (and money) worrying about all this appearance stuff!

    NJ girl

  30. Patricia wrote:

    Brooklyn asked about finding the book:
    Hair Story: Untangling the Roots of Black Hair in America

    Just google it and you find lots of resellers - amazon isn’t the only game in town! Especially for smaller press titles…

    Re hair: my son’s hair is the nappy type definitely and I for now go with the “keep it very short and shave it a couple of times a year” school! When he is not rolling in the sand and the playground everyday anymore, I will worry about what kind of style he wants…lol

    Patricia

  31. NJ girl wrote:

    Please excuse the numerous grammar errors in my previous comment posting - trying to multi-task at work isn’t the best time to write a comment.

    Anyway, I wanted to know if any of the readers of this posting could help me with a question:

    Would it be okay (as a white woman) to ask someone who you know casually and who has curly African type hair, if you can touch their hair just for a second? At a friend’s house, I’ve talked a few times to a guy who has very fluffy long dread-locks (just so it’s clear, he’s African-American). I commented on how striking his hair is and I might have briefly (for a second) touched his hair at his shoulders when he turned to the side so I could see the back after I notice how long it was. Do you think this was wrong? Or might have made him feel a little weird by me doing this? At the time he seemed okay about it and even said thanks. But now I’m not sure. Should I have asked first? To be honest, I was flirting a little bit and the natural impulse was to touch his hair because it was so striking and so soft looking.

    Thanks – NJ girl

  32. lunanoire wrote:

    Brooklyn and other moms of black/mixed girls-

    If your social circle is large and diverse enough, once the child no longer has baby hair, find a woman with a similar nautral hair texture and ask her what she uses. Tighter curls and naps tend to be dry, so it requires more, sometimes a lot more, conditioner and/or oil than straight hair. Also, it needs to be protected at night from rubbing against cotton pillowcases and sheets, so it is common for people to wear a silk scarf or cap to protect their hair. Every bend is a potential breaking point, so nappy hair requires time and effort, but it’s what’s required. Some mixed or adopted AA girls don’t learn until they get to college, but with your initiative, she’ll be in good hands. (natural for over half of my life)

  33. Lyonside wrote:

    NJ Girl: Seriously? OK, flip your question…

    If someone was Italian and had naturally curly black hair, would you reach out and touch without asking? How about someone with great skin - would you touch their face? Lips? Eyelashes?

    If someone is a good friend, and it’s UNDER DISCUSSION, then sure.. but it still involves asking. Personal boundaries are both individual and cultural, and in the US we tend to be pretty picky about our personal space. To not ask is an objectification of the person, even in a flirting situation.

  34. Julia wrote:

    I think NJ touched on a much broader topic than just hair. Which I think is “most (if not all) black people are completely literate in the ways of whites (for MANY reasons) BUT most whites are COMPLETELY ignorant about black culture. The question is: if we missed learning about black culture as we grew up (for whatever reason) and now as adults we are educating ourselves about our differences… what is the best way (if we have no close friends of color) to go about this….?

  35. Liz Dwyer wrote:

    NJ Girl,
    Interesting question about the hair touching. I’m sure you aren’t the only person with this question.

    I think it’s a no-no to ask black folks if you can touch their hair. Especially if they aren’t someone who’s very close to you/your best friend/significant other. Even then, I wouldn’t ask my black friends if I can touch their hair. To me, it’s an etiquette thing. I was raised that you don’t touch other folk’s hair. One of my white friends recently did my hair up into a faux-hawk for me so she touched my hair. But other than that, no.

    I dislike people touching my son’s hair. It’s like my son’s are being petted like they’re dogs or something. I recognize that that may not be the intent, but I think the whole, “Can I touch your hair” thing often makes black people feel objectified, like they’re on exhibit, like their hair is something that’s so exotic that it’s got to be touched. I do think it becomes a white privilege thing. After all, you don’t see black adults asking if they can touch white folks’ hair.

    As far as asking instead of outright touching, I think it’s better to ask first, but people will also say “yes” to requests like that because they feel uncomfortable saying no. I think asking sort of becomes a rhetorical question. Folks are never expecting the other person to respond, “No, you can’t touch my hair.”

    I will say though that the only time I felt okay with someone asking me if they could touch my hair was when I lived in China and I was often around folks who had never seen, live and in person, a person who was not Chinese. When I was there, it felt like a genuine cultural exchange.

    I’d also say if you’re interested in this guy, engage him in a conversation about his decision to grow dreds and what they mean to him personally. That way you can find out more about him in a meaningful way.

  36. Patti wrote:

    Lori - love your book and thank you for the education
    NJ - I cringe when people ask if they can touch my kids hair. Not only does it put my kids in a weird position, it is also quite creepy for an adult to want to touch their hair and also hygenically, a bit gross. Adults may be different and of course a flirting situation is different, I am talking about the stranger in the grocery store type situation.
    Brooklyn - if you adopt transracially, you wil be judged daily and not just in regard to hair. I would recommend learning as much as you can about how to maintain your childs healthy hair and also about styles that are appropriate for their age. You will be the mirror from which they learn to see themselves and if you love and tenderly care for thier hair, they will know you think it is beautiful - it IS beautiful. There a lots of websites and books that are very helpful in learning to “do” hair and I never hesitate to ask questions of friends, family, any mom I see whose kid has hair like mine.
    In the end, I have to teach my kids (and I have to believe myself) that it is just hair - it is good hair if it does what it is supposed to do - protect our heads and the treasures inside!

  37. shelli wrote:

    You know, as the white partner of a black woman, with natural, beautiful hair, and a daughter who is also black, I was surprised to hear her birth mom and my partner talk to one another about how “good” our daughter’s hair is. And laugh about it.

    I think everyone’s hair is “good,” unless you don’t take care of it, you know?

  38. SF Mom wrote:

    My daughter hates it when people touch her natural hair without asking. She whips her braids/coils around, out of their grasp, and moves away. If I’m close by, I usually explain helpfully that she doesn’t like anyone touching her hair. If someone asks first, she will look skyward and say Yeeess in a way that communicates her reluctance.
    She was so glad that half of the girls in her Kindergarten are AA - she said specifically, “beautiful black with hair like mine.” The variety of hairstyles in the younger grades is wonderful. Yet I notice that by 6th grade, most of the girls have their hair straightened. Sigh.

  39. GM wrote:

    How is it that Black people have lived in this country for over 400 years and white people still have not noticed we are here? Black people are everywhere and you didn’t notice our hair. Now that you have black kids it’s “let us hurry up and find out how to manage this black kid’s hair.” How is it we can be so different but invisible? I don’t know about you but different makes me pay attention more not less. Pardon me if this conversation is starting to annoy me.
    I didn’t grow up with white folks in my family but I know what their hair feels like without touching it. I see the texture from observing it therefore I have a good idea what it feels like. Come to think about it I know a lot about white folks without asking. I know some of their skin burns if they stay out in the sun, I know they don’t just wash their hair and it’s straight some have to blow it straight. The more you point out difference the more it makes people feel like what they have is bad because it’s not like yours.
    I too, get annoyed when people reach out and pant my child on the head. She’s not a pet and stop trying to feel her hair on a sneak.
    For parents adopting Black children you will learn how to do their hair just like Black parents learned how to do their own hair and their childrens hair. We all weren’t born knowing how to twist, lock or braid.

  40. NJ girl wrote:

    All of these opinions really add to my understanding. But I still think this is a huge subject that reveals a lot of issues that can’t be addressed by strangling all human interactions into simple yes-no modes of behavior. But I do completely understand how touching someone’s hair could be a violation of personal space and could easily make someone feel objectified. Personally, having my child’s head stroked by a stranger would make me feel really weird and the situations with children discussed in these postings are certainly more of a violation because of the other possible implications (even if the person had no intention to insult, “pet” or objectify) and because the incidents described were so strange (the duration and comments made). Also, this whole thing with kids, crosses over into questions of societal norms in interacting with other people’s children and babies in public. And for that matter, pre-natal babies and pregnant women’s bellies.

    Back to hair: In my twenties I frequently wore my hair in a long braid down my back. And a few times a year some grown man (and sometimes women) would tug on my braid. And most of the times it happened in an office setting! So much for harassment policies (which I never persued). Anyway, this has many implications, but my point is that “this whole thing is complicated, situational, historical, personal, cultural, emotional, sexual, etc.”

    In response to “flipping the situation”, I have considered that and really am careful (at least I try to be) about it especially when talking to African Americans (which unfortunately can make some conversations a little less free and easy). I am reserved in many ways, but have through-out my life tended to lightly touch people when talking - not all the time, but probably once-twice a day. And it is primarily with people who are close to me or people I have become friendly with (even at work). Yes, you have to be very careful about doing this. So, to respond, it would really depend on the interaction I was having, like I mentioned above: the person, situation, etc. Also, it sometimes would be the hair. I think if someone’s hair is exceptional this is just more likely to come up (even my braid seemed to compel people). And again, context matters. A huge mane of long locks is dramatic, Italian or otherwise, and will certainly attract. Of course this doesn’t mean anyone has a right to touch them, but it probably increases the likelihood.

    On the subject of exceptional (this can of course also include “just being different from the group”). Like someone’s comment about going to China. A friend of mine who worked in rural Tanzania after college was frequently petted. And on her first day in a large dense crowd got a big chunk of her long hair [blonde] cut off from the back of her head. She didn’t even realize it had happened until someone in her group pointed it out.

    All this being said (man, sorry for such a long post!), I still think there is a lot more to be learned from each other and about each other. GM commented about blacks knowing whites and more. Certainly we all notice each other (and have for a long time now). But not all areas of the country are the same and just seeing each other doesn’t mean you know or understand each other. Percentage differences in population do impact a lot of the things that inform or expose us to different groups, interests, cultures, whatever. Although watching a thousand hours of TV shows or movies isn’t the same as being close friends with someone.

  41. lori wrote:

    Love the posts. And this is just a random funny aside for all you folks who hate to have your hair touched by strangers.

    I travel to Spain a lot and just found out that there is a superstition there that it is good luck to touch a Black child’s head. Which would explain why this past summer, the first time I had both of my boys in Spain they were constantly being petted on the sly. I had to laugh because the Spanish people were not slick or subtle. It was like my kids were totem poles or lucky rocks. I wonder at what age their good luck will wear off!!!

    And for anyone who can’t find the book Hair Story, it is still in print and if you go to almost any bookstore, chain or independent and it’s not on their shelves, they can order it with no problem. It’s not out of print.

    Peace and Hair Grease!

  42. sesameflower wrote:

    To white people who wanted to know how to learn without learning from friends: if you don’t have any friends or close friends of color/of other cultures, why not? I’m not saying you should run up to the first person you see and ask to be friends (that would obviously be wrong on so many levels), but I do think it’s good for everyone to take some time to consider why their social circle is inclusive of some and exclusive of others. If it’s not just that you live in the middle of nowhere, there *is* a reason. It may or may not be related to some of the issues discussed in the last post (about PTA, mom groups etc.) Just a thought.

    Now for a story:

    When I was about three or four I lived(mostly) with my mother in a pretty isolated area in Northern New York. I actually don’t think I saw a whole lot of people outside of my family, period. So one day in a different area with my stepmom (who told me this tale!) we passed an AA woman with natural hair. As the very ignorant four year old that I was, I apparently said to this woman “I like my hair better than yours.” My stepmom was mortified and apologized profusely, but the lady actually sat down with me and treated the whole thing as a ‘genuine cultural exchange’. I can’t imagine how much patience and generosity of spirit that must have taken–I certainly wouldn’t have known how to respond to such a comment, even if it was from a little kid!

    That said, I hope that *everyone* has some important hair conversations with their kids, even if they are straight-haired, white, and living in the middle of nowhere.

    The addendum to this story is that most of my friends are not white, and (possibly not related but) my hair gets patted a lot for being ’soft.’ I enjoy the petting, but am dismayed to hear my friends make disparaging comparisons with their own (beautiful! often softer!) hair. I often respond by petting back…I hope this kind of touching is okay?

    Anyway, a while ago my friends and I banned guilty talk about food and weight (particularly from the dinner table), and it made a huge difference. I really felt it when I left that safety zone and saw how prevalent the obsession was outside of it. I wonder if a similar ban could work for hair (maybe just expanding the same ban to include all aspects of appearance)…sometimes just having a bubble can show what’s wrong with the world outside of it.

  43. Julia wrote:

    Sesameflower: Although I live in a small west Texas town (pop 150,000), there is a very good mix of races and ethnicities. I have a few Hispanic friends… but all my other friends are white. All of them… church, moms groups, military spouses group… they are all white… and a few Hispanics.

    This is one of the only times in my life that this has occurred. (the other time was when I was a little girl and lived in Maine).

    We don’t even have black families in our neighborhood… Hispanic… not AA…

    It really it quite odd, and I would love to have AA friends again (I did all through HS and College)… but without me hunting down random people based solely on their skin color I don’t see how to do it naturally.

    Even at my son’s school out of the 4 PreK and K classes there is one AA little boy… everyone else is white …. now THAT is weird!!!

  44. kim wrote:

    Black hair and Black culture are amorphous terms that mean different things to different people.

    Black folk are not in agreement across the board about behaviors, ideas, norms and attitudes that best represent a continental, all-inclusive Black American heritage and culture.

    That said…I think that recognizing the enormous similarities between cultures and racial groups can take one to pretty much the same place as seeking to understand the differences.

    Some folk put mustard on their fish, some folk clip their consonants and verb endings; some think the Afro a throwback to a time when rabble rousers sought to assert themselves loudly into the consciousness and fabric of the mainstream, some think a shorn head on boys is required as the only form of presentable public appearance, some think “lining” a head at the barber’s necessary. Some think Black means this, some that.

    I would say most good people who have moved along on the hierarchy of needs want much of the same thing: to have their children interact with others who share their interests, to have them challenged academically and grow into civic minded individuals, to raise compassionate, forward-thinking young men and women who will respect, and be respected by, all the other people of the world with whom they come into contact.

    It’s not mindblogging that people comb or brush their hair, that they have hair, that they have grooming and cosmetic traditions with which you may not be familiar. Does everyone really need to know all that the other does to prepare for the day? I think not.

  45. Kahnee wrote:

    I cut my hair and let it grow back natural. I had my eight year old daughter go first and then I thought, why not me. I get so much crap from my family who truly believes she looks better with her straight hair. Maybe they are right but as it’s been said we need to know God don’t make ugly and natural looks just as good as straigtened.

    I love my kinky hair that I wear in a curly fro. It gives me a confidence that I never had when my hair was straigtened. It’s also much cheaper and it’s helped our household budget.

  46. Vonetta wrote:

    Wow!!! Liz, You have really started something, here. I am an AA mom of a 6 year old son and a 3and a half year old daughter. My family was already rolling eyes, as I had been the only member my family to have not only natural hair, but LOCS (I prefer not to add the word “dread” because I do not dread my hair). My then husband’s hair also in locs, we had decided that our children would wear locs. Well after my son was born, it was cool. Many people commented on how GREAT his hair is. It is very long now and he often corrects adults that HE is a BOY. Not rude, just as if he’d done it a million times.
    But when my daughter was born, many of these issues came up again! Hubby even thought that I should not loc the baby’s hair because of how masculine it might look! I had to remind him of how feminine I looked with my locs…. and then he realized his own issues. Here hair has been loc’ed now for 3 years of her little life, and she is atarting to LOVE her hair. I fought many years with my mother and my mother-in-law regarding her self-image though. They think comments about how beautiful someone less ethnic looking child’s hair is as compared to hers, are okay (especially my MIL) Finally I have an outspoken daughter who will tell anybody that we are the Loc family, and our hair is beautiful. Neither of my children likes their hair touched by strangers but will engage people on what our hair is about. I teach my children that good hair is hair the covers the head, as the function of hair is truly for insulation and protection. Bad hair is hair that refuses to stay on the head, (they like to giggle and say,”like Papa, Mommy.” who is bald). All textures are what make us unique.
    I have a small but growing grown of multi cultural friends who share these beliefs so we socialize in many ways with them to empower the children.
    I had challenged my own upbringing and cultural norms to be loc’ed in texas even.
    Hey we are making a little head way though, there is a local newscaster who now wheres her hair in a short natural!!! This is going a long way to show our girls that you can get a GOOD job with your natural hair style!

  47. Liz Dwyer wrote:

    Vonetta,
    See, stories like yours make me believe there’s definitely hope for all of us. My family was like yours when I wore my hair natural. And the funny thing is that my husband had locs up until about four years ago and he prefers my hair long and straight. Cultural conditioning/internalized oppression manifesting itself. You’re exactly the kind of mother I want to be, setting a positive example through your actions.

  48. Hannah wrote:

    This is an interesting conversation!

    My sons are both mixed race, with a West African father who is no longer part of our family. The boys both want long hair, and their hair is very “nappy.”

    What they have chosen is to have to have locs. We all love it, they are very handsome, and they can grow their hair long.

    HOWEVER, I get regular looks and comments from AA women who clearly disapprove of my sons’ hair and make suggestions on ways to “take better care” of their hair.

    Now … we do take good care of their hair … within the types of care required to maintain tidy, long locs.

    It is frustrating! I think there is so much racist baggage attached to Black hair, it really makes it hard to raise proud and self-confident Black and mixed race kids with beautiful, natural hair.

    -Hannah T.

  49. amy wrote:

    This is a great post.

    I am a white woman with bi-racial daughters. My best friend is a black woman who educated me years earlier on the whole “hair” issue, so I did a lot of research on black hair care when they were born and make a point of never acting like there is anything “wrong” with my children’s hair (in fact, had I not be told anything I would never have realized that anyone thought of it that way, as this entire phenom is virtually undiscussed by white people or the larger culture). They wear it natural, and it is always clean, oiled and groomed. It is not straightened, however, and never will be by me.

    Interestingly, though, like Hannah T. above, my choice wrt my daughters’ hair is seen by many black women as me simply being ignorant about the “proper” way to care for a black child’s hair! They think that I just don’t know the “right” way to style and care for it. And, they don’t really appreciate me having any opinion on the subject of black hair care at all most of the time.

  50. Mimi wrote:

    My four children are Black and like one of the posts said Black children can have different textures of hair. Right now I deal with people coming up to two of my sons who have curly hair. I hate for people say they have good hair and that my other son has bad hair. I get the occasional “jokes” about their parentage because we are both Black. And like Liz I hate people to rub my children’s hair. My daughter’s hair is kind of straight and she wants to wear it down and loose. I hate for people to comment on the texture of her hair, so I keep it braided or in pony tails. In the Black community it is unusual for children (she’s four) to wear their hair loose. I was ranting and raving about her not keeping her hair neat and in pony tails. So, I let her wear it loose and guess what, the world didn’t stop and it was no big deal. I realized that even though I wear my hair natural I still have some hair issues. All of your posts really helped.

  51. Kary wrote:

    We just adopted our niece - so good that I can now say daughter (!) since she has been living with us for almost a year. Her birth mom (my husband’s sister) is white (as are both of us and our other two daughters) and her birth father is African American (at least, as far as I know, he’s AA, but he could be biracial - I just don’t know).

    Anyway, I have been reading and stressing over the hair issue for months. First I just focused on proper washing, since there wasn’t enough hair to worry about any kind of styling… Now, I live in a town of 500 people (yes, 500 individuals - not 500K), in Western North Dakota. We have one good friend who is biracial (and since he’s a guy who keeps his hair shaved, I don’t expect much help with my daughter’s hair from him)… That’s it - he’s pretty much the only AA person I know, so I just don’t know who to turn to.

    I can’t even be sure what type of hair my daughter has because I have no experience with any other types. I read article after article - and all the emotional/philosophical issues - but I am struggling to find real sites with pictures and step by step, here’s what you do… Any suggestions on where to look would SO be appreciated. I belive she is going to have looser curls (it is only a couple of inches long right now). When her hair is wet it forms adorable curls close to the scalp. As it dries, it gets puffy - which after reading all the comments on different sites about how I will be looked down upon for taking her out without properly styled hair - I worry about leaving it that way (plus, it still rather thin right now, and not all the same length, it looks like there is just one square section sticking straight up), even if the only people around here are white… Is it OK to leave it like that??

    I want to raise her so that she doesn’t look back and be embarassed by how I cared for/styled her hair when she’s grown… I’ve started using small bands to put in 5 little ponies - we think it’s cute, but what do we know? Each pony makes a perfect little spiral when I do… is this Ok? Should I not do this - is it not considered natural? I am careful about the proper care/proper products - but am just really clueless on what the end result should LOOK like… She’s not even a year and a half yet, so she doesn’t have a whole lot of hair, but it is to the point where I need to think about styling it…

    I would love some help. The website I have listed is for my business, but you can find a contact address for me there.

    I do not want to be an ignorant white woman. Please help.

  52. gm wrote:

    The five ponytails sound fine. I doesn’t look like you’ll get much judgement from black people in North Dakota because I don’t believe there are many. As far as your daughter and how she might feel when she looks back at her pictures, good luck. Most people have issues with how their mother styled their hair when they were children.

    If you get tired of the 5 ponytails try 4 then 3 then 2 and finally one. Try 3 strand braids and 2 strand twists. Wash, lightly moisturize and brush into the ponytails and she should be good to go. Don’t stress, it’s just hair and she will learn to style it herself soon enough.

    GM

  53. Kary wrote:

    Thank you, gm… It helps hearing a little encouragement… Where we live, I don’t worry so much, but when we travel just a bit to the east, we run into the cities with the air force bases, so that’s where you see a higher population of AA men and women.

    At any rate, thank you very much. I really do appreciate it!!!

  54. LBellatrix wrote:

    First time on your blog…I appreciate anti-racists in all forms, so keep on keeping on!

    To Kary and other non-black mothers wondering about the hair thing: This book was written especially for parents like you:

    http://hsh.herspecialhair.com/

    Cherie King is on a mission to help educate people IN GENERAL (see below) about “highly-textured” hair and how best to care for it.

    Also, if you haven’t already visited Nappturality.com, please do. It’s chock-full of information about natural hair care in general. (And yeah, with over 60,000 members, most of them black women, discussions can get interesting, but as an original member, I can vouch that you’ll get a whole lot of good out of them.)

    Having said all of this — and sincerely wishing all of you the best of luck — I can’t help but appreciate the irony in GM’s comment. Maybe someday before I die whites can get as educated about blacks as blacks are about whites. Doesn’t anybody besides me and GM wonder WHY so many whites are so deliberately clueless? (Oh wait…that’s because, on the subject of nappy hair at least, so many BLACKS are deliberately clueless. My bad.)

    I’m a black woman who’s been happily nappy for 12 years.

  55. Amy wrote:

    I am a white female with a biracial son. His dad is of african american and indian descent. My son is very light skinned, dark brown eyes, light brown hair (lighter than mine) but it is very coarse. His father has “good hair” but I have to just keep his hair cut low and even because it is neither curly nor straight. My son’s father is not involved in his life…However, my fiance is…He is asian. My son wants straight hair…He is confused about his identity. He knows who his biological father is, however he does not exactly accept the black part of him because his dad isn’t around and no one can tell that he is half black! People always assume that his is all white or POSSIBLY hispanic if that…This really bothers me…But as far as the hair goes, while in elementary school, my black friends absolutely loved playing with my hair…Why…I do not know! Its not completely straight or even wavy! Yet everyone always asks ME if IM biracial! Just confused…How is it that I look half black or hispanic but my sson doesnt? Lol…Man, I wonder what my half asian kids will look like! Point is, EVERYONE is BEAUTIFULLY and WONDERFULLY made!! God Bless You All!!!

  56. Heidi Tester wrote:

    I am so grateful for the honest and informative discussion of hair. I am Caucasian and planning to adopt AA children. There is so much I have yet to learn, and have a place to learn it. I am also very grateful that a Black hairdresser, who herself has natural hair done gorgeously. (This said from someone who covers the grey, and has no patience with her own fine, sort of curly, poofy hair. We won’t get into the language I used one hot humid day, trying to get a pick through my then long hair. It’s now quite short and I love it.)

    I wish all of you the best. By the way I love ‘loc’s, and would love to hear more about the care of them, and any pointers are most welcome. Thanks to LBellatrix for the Nappturality.com site info!

  57. Kary wrote:

    Another question!… Baby’s hair has gotten to a point, where if I leave it un-banded, it looks ridiculous. It doesn’t make a nice ‘afro’, it just kind sticks out all over, gets matted in the back… I think the biggest reason is that it is so THIN - not the strand of hair itself, but it is just very sparse. You can always see her entire scalp - and most of the photos I’ve found for different styles show THICK thick hair.

    Banding it, even though I’m extremely careful, is causing breakage because she rips them out… Whether they’re loose so as not to hurt, or tight so she shouldn’t be able to get them out… She manages to get them out, and you can imagine how much hair comes out with them.

    So my question really comes to this… Is it ok to keep it fairly short rather than allow it to grow out? The very front most section of hair is shorter (just the way it has grown, that part is farther behind the rest in length) and it seems to curl nicely, closer to her scalp - rather than the rest of her hair that just sticks straight out (when wet, it all curls nicely of course, but even when using product, of course she’s not even two - she’s rubbing her head on the floor, the couch, blankies, etc… so it doesn’t last).

    I hesitate to cut it because I want to be sure she’s still ‘girly’ (I had a boy cut when i was little, and people mostly thought I was a boy)… but I’m just struggling with what I can do to keep her hair healthy and looking good.

  58. Lyonside wrote:

    Kary: I would take your daughter to a hair stylist that knows both children’s hair (which yeah, can be sparse for a while, even on white babies), and natural hair care.

    The matting in the back worries me, because I think that can lead to breaking hair. I’d try to comb that out (not straighten, just unknot it), with children’s detangler (usually they’re just water and silicone).

    BTW: What kind of shampoo are you using on her hair?

  59. Kary wrote:

    Thanks, Lyonside, for responding so quickly. I do comb out her hair gently every day or every other day, with a children’s conditioning detangler specifically for AA hair. For now I use the children’s Suave shampoo + conditioner, AND the chilren’s suave conditioner - and unless she really rubs her food in her hair or something, I only wash every 7-10 days. Then, like I said, we have the special detangler, natural boar bristle brush, and a PINK product (some type of conditioning gel, I can’t remember the extact name of it).

    I think perhaps she rubs her head on her blankie when falling asleep, because it is always worse of course after napping or waking up in the morning - the bit of matting in the back, that is… It’s like a hand full of sections stick straight out that are snarled together - making it look like she’s got horns sticking out the back of her head or something! lol.

    It hasn’t grown in evenly at all, so there are a couple of patches, including the front most area that are considerably shorter. I realize any kid can have sparse hair - but since hers wants to just stick straight out and tangle up, that’s why I wonder if we should try to even it out? When I do put bands in, the little pony tails are sooooo tiny that you have to wrap it several times, even with the teeny-tiny bands (i’ve got some that are smaller around than a pencil).

    I am in rural North Dakota, so the fact of the matter is that there just aren’t many AA people here or those that know how to cut/style/manage AA hair. Minot Air Force Base is probably the closet place with the best bet to find a knowledgeable stylist (that’s about 90 miles frome here). And I do certainly want to keep her hair natural - at least as long as it is still my decision - once she’s old enough to make her own decisions, that will be up to her, I guess. So, if I’m still baffled, I will try to get up there and find someone who can help.

  60. Kary wrote:

    Oh, and the part that seems to get the most snarled/matted… that’s the longest section! So it really hasn’t been breaking much there, as far as I can tell.

  61. Johanne R. wrote:

    my name is johanne. i’m 25. i have an 8 month old son.

    i’m from haiti, which is the country that shares it’s island home with the dominican republic. because of the mixing between haiti and the dominican republic, as well as the mixing that was done back when the french ruled the country a century or so ago, most haitians are of mixed heritage. there is white, black, spanish & other blood running through our veins.

    with that said there are haitians who are as white as white can be and some who are as black as black can be and every kind of combination in between. my mother’s mother had white skin and blond hair, yet her features were more african, with wooly / nappy textured hair, a wider nose and fuller lips. my father’s mother had black skin but her features were more european. her nose was slimmer and her lips were thin. i say all that to just help paint a picture of my heritage and my son’s.

    in the haitian culture, good hair versus bad hair is ingrained from the womb. i have a cousin who has such a complex with her appearance because she is chocolate brown and most of my family is more caramel complexioned. since we can’t do much about our skin coloring (though she has gone as far as using skin lightening creams), our hair was the one thing that we could change to drastically change our look. so of course when we were old enough to work, we’d save our money to get a fly weave or cool braids or a chemical relaxer. anything was better than our own hair.

    so it’s no surprise that my cousin and the rest of my family thought i lost my mind when i chopped all my beautifully relaxed hair and went natural in 2006. my motivation was i was tired of all the chemical burns i was getting on my scalp, my hair thinning and falling out, and just feeling like a slave to that jar. i wanted to go swimming without worrying about getting my hair wet or taking a shower without a shower cap or going to sleep without a silk scarf or doo-rag on my head.

    my other motivation, and the one that i want to present to my son as he gets older, is the fact that God made my hair, and all my other features, and He makes no mistakes. instead of fighting with my hair and trying to force it to do something it wasn’t meant to do, I decided to embrace it and love the things that it can do. i want my son to love the creativity of God to make us with so many different shades of color and texture of hair. i want him to see the bigger picture, even if he develops a preference for one aesthetic over another. no comparing, just appreciating the good things that all hair types can do. it’s all beautiful.

    finally, i realize that there are a great number of curious people who may mean no harm but forget their manners. after all, black people are the minority in america. we may know more about white culture than white people know about black culure, but that’s because white people are the majority. with that said, i understand the curiosity for non-black people to touch my son’s hair and or inquire about how i groom him. but really, though i understand, it’s still offensive. i don’t want people, random strangers, touching my son’s hair. i feel that hair is to intimate a thing for people to be able to just touch it without permission and a valid reason to do so. I’ve held white babies before and played with white kids, and i don’t remember ever touching their hair. unless their was something stuck in their hair or a valid reason, i never touched their hair. and now that i’m writing this, i’ve had so many occassions of people touching my hair with the excuse, oh, there’s something in your hair and they just put their hands in my ‘fro to take out this “object” that’s supposedly in my hair. i don’t like that.

    you know what else offends me? the comments i get from people, black and white alike, who ask me what am i gonna do with his hair, when the boy’s hair is done! i mean hello, why are you askin’ me what i’m gonna do with his hair when it’s done, obviously implying that you don’t think it is done or combed properly or something. my son’s hair is either out in a mini fro or twisted and the back is too short and soft to twist right now, but I often do it in the morning and by the afternoon it looks like he just rolled out of bed, but it’s still presentable. i mean, the kid is 8 months old! whatta ya want me to do, put a razor to his head and cut it off at 8 months old?

    now i’m annoyed. so much for posting something enlightening and balanced. i don’t want people to touch my hair or my son’s hair and i don’t want to feel bad for feeling that way or from letting someone know not to touch my hair or my son’s hair

    annoyed mom

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